Even now, as they sit together on the other side of the Atlantic on a camera-less Google call, the two bounce off one another, sharing ideas and saying so out loud if they disagree with something the other has said. It’s not a surprise Jett calls Laguna a “godsend”. Women Who Rock: why the new Epix documentary is so important “Now we own the records” Laguna says matter-of-factly, “and they’re worth a lot.” Those future smash-hits (‘I Love Rock’n’Roll’, ‘Crimson and Clover’, ‘Do You Wanna Touch Me’) - “ nobody wanted them”. The two of them circumvented the glass ceiling all those years ago by releasing Jett’s solo work on their own independent label Blackheart Records and have lived their lives in close tandem ever since. Best friends co-songwriters the manager and the talent. Laguna and Jett are a close platonic coupling. “She was clearly good looking, wrote really good songs and yet we couldn’t get through the door,” Laguna adds, “people found it threatening.” Jett sums it up in a gravel-toned deadpan: “I was playing with my dick too much.” “We got 23 rejection letters from all the majors and minors” Jett tells Gigwise, still ever so slightly unbelieving all these decades later. That was the year that Jett, then only 20, started out as a solo artist following the collapse of her teenage band The Runaways. Joan Jett and Kenny Laguna have been, Jett says, “a little army trying to fight together” ever since 1979.